00:14:11	Jay Ganelin:	Quick question: Will this be recorded?
00:14:35	Spencer & Mallory Ruark:	Yes! You’ll get the recording via email after!
00:14:48	Jay Ganelin:	Thank you'
00:34:52	Lainna Callentine:	A caste system
00:36:36	Matt Tebbe:	that’s huge
00:36:55	Lainna Callentine:	It is interesting that this understanding of land and animals is looked as pagan in Christian white circles
00:37:20	Spencer & Mallory Ruark:	Yes, Lainna!
00:40:12	Matt Tebbe:	That practice - of looking through people and groups and assuming we know them better than they know themselves - continues to this day…
00:40:25	Jason Hesiak:	TGC
00:40:31	Kimberly Deckel:	Yeah, Matt, that struck me too
00:40:53	Ben Sternke:	lol Jason naming names!
00:41:24	Jason Hesiak:	I just said what Matt and Michael said. it's already in the name lol
00:43:09	Lainna Callentine:	Yes, a re-imagining is needed. How can one meet in "the middle" of this ideology?
00:43:33	Matt Tebbe:	Yes - how do you make peace with something invented to dominate?
00:43:56	Isaiah Fasoldt:	Guilty as charged
00:44:50	Lainna Callentine:	As a doctor....I need to take a history of the patient before I can treat their current condition
00:45:08	Matt Tebbe:	oh that’s good Lainna
00:49:02	Lainna Callentine:	Genesis 1....this ideology is antithetical to God's creation
00:49:14	Jay Ganelin:	Among many things that blew me away from my visit to South Dakota was this quote: “You came to my people and accused them of worshiping God in the trees. What I see in the tree is life, death. Resurrection, rebirth, existing not for self but for the whole. I see your Christ in that tree. How dare you not see the Christ in that tree.”  - Basil Braveheart, Pine Ridge Reservation
00:49:49	Jason Hesiak:	that was deep about working the land wowah
00:51:19	Matt Tebbe:	what a quote, Jay
00:53:08	Jay Ganelin:	https://www.amazon.com/Shalom-Community-Creation-Indigenous-Christianity/dp/0802866786
00:53:46	Joel Rockey:	THANKS for that Jay!
00:55:58	Jana Peterson:	We must live out our faith with our whole bodies, not just by making a shift in our intellectualized worldview.
00:56:11	Isaiah Fasoldt:	The purpose of Genesis was to teach us how to defeat evolution
00:56:21	Ben Sternke:	lol isaiah
00:56:23	Isaiah Fasoldt:	Joking obviously
00:56:33	Joel Rockey:	I love you, Isaiah.
00:56:36	Jay Ganelin:	Who, not How.
00:58:01	Isaiah Fasoldt:	The threat is more insidious— to our souls, but not our bodies and safety.
00:58:15	Kimberly Deckel:	It’s like it’s not blatantly dangerous, but it is soooooo dangerous
00:58:38	Ben Sternke:	Yes Kimberly
01:01:12	Jeff Yockey:	Where was this Pres church at in the country?
01:03:15	Raquel Denis:	Michael, what are you thoughts on decolonization in Christian spaces/churches?
01:03:32	Raquel Denis:	I am at work rn so I can't hop on lol!
01:04:55	Raquel Denis:	Yes!
01:05:04	Katie Fansler:	Christianity Rediscovered, by Vincent Donovan. Missionary to Masai in Tanzania,  amazing story of noncolonization.
01:05:05	Isaiah Fasoldt:	Wow, that’s committment
01:05:11	Raquel Denis:	I am typing!
01:05:46	Becky Castle Miller:	Yes, Christianity Rediscovered is great
01:05:53	Raquel Denis:	How do we decolonize our liturgy? Our language? How do we orient ourselves to other types learnings that we are often uncomfortable with?
01:06:04	Raquel Denis:	*types of learnings
01:20:14	Matt Tebbe:	Ben he just called you a LOBSTER bro
01:20:34	Matt Tebbe:	lol
01:20:49	Jason Hesiak:	did we just get a Jordan Peterson reference here on colonialism and racism?
01:21:01	Matt Tebbe:	boop
01:23:41	Isaiah Fasoldt:	“Yo, shut up Peter” ~Holy Spirit probably
01:28:32	Matt Tebbe:	Hosts - control and own
01:28:43	Jay Ganelin:	Guesting: SO good
01:30:27	Lainna Callentine:	I have another meeting to attend now. So glad to "discover" you beautiful people. I will look forward to tuning in the rest of the recording. Thank you. I will check out what this "The Table Indy"
01:30:54	Matt Tebbe:	Peace Lainna - great to have you. :)
01:30:55	Ellie and David:	Thanks for sharing your thoughts this morning, Lainna!
01:30:59	Isaiah Fasoldt:	Great to be here with you!
01:31:14	Ben Sternke:	peace Lainna
01:31:17	Lainna Callentine:	A wonderful pleasure. …. to be continued :)
01:31:56	Matt Tebbe:	re: Whiteness - how do we ‘redeem’ something that was created to divide and conquer others?
01:32:34	Ellie and David:	Phew, yeah
01:32:43	Isaiah Fasoldt:	Why would we want to redeem this?
01:34:13	Matt Tebbe:	we are called to enter others stories as the guest
01:34:43	Joel Rockey:	But that means it’s not about bringing others into my story.
01:34:56	Joel Rockey:	OOPS.
01:38:02	Jay Ganelin:	THat’s cool: If what we eat is not challenging, it is not deep enough… I need to chew on that, no pun intended.
01:39:59	Jana Peterson:	Yeah, that one was challenging for me, Jay.
01:40:03	Joel Rockey:	I feel that deeply Isaiah. Thank you for sharing that.
01:40:08	Matt Tebbe:	great question Isaiah
01:47:29	Matt Tebbe:	I’M HERE FOR GUESTING YOU’RE WELCOME!!!!
01:47:36	Ben Sternke:	right lol
01:47:56	Isaiah Fasoldt:	If we could just find a new land free of our old institutions that hold us back, it would be solve all our problems! I’m sure there won’t be any people there, or if there are, maybe we can buy the land…
01:48:10	Ben Sternke:	lol Isaiah
01:49:34	Jana Peterson:	The diversity in the Trinity models this joining for us.
01:49:49	Katie Fansler:	isn't a primary step, recognizing the sin inside our own hearts.  Being willing to see it, hold it up to God and our community, grieve, and receive God's forgiveness and then looking out to how to embody it in our immediate community.
01:50:24	Matt Tebbe:	Yes Katie important.
01:52:44	Matt Tebbe:	can ‘whiteness’ be intimate?
01:52:51	Matt Tebbe:	does ‘whiteness’ know how to join?
01:53:45	Jay Ganelin:	That’s what Peter has to do: set aside a critical component of his faith-identity in order to take up a new way of intimacy
01:56:35	Matt Tebbe:	yo that’s scary for a lot of us
01:56:39	Jay Ganelin:	word
01:56:44	Matt Tebbe:	feels threatening but you right
01:57:05	Isaiah Fasoldt:	Being before essence.
01:57:12	Naomi Carr:	YES.
01:57:32	Jay Ganelin:	yaaassss
01:58:13	Katie Fansler:	yes, I was thinking that too, fear is a big barrier
02:00:00	Joel Rockey:	What I’m hearing is that you can’t be present without caring about what the community that you enter into cares about.
02:03:01	Matt Tebbe:	we ain’t the owner
02:03:04	Matt Tebbe:	i need that
02:04:29	Jason Hesiak:	and identifying with the tradition first rather than with the trajectory towards the desire for joining does work to cover over the disorientation and confusion (Peter's)
02:04:44	Jason Hesiak:	(even if it's Anabaptism lol)
02:04:49	Isaiah Fasoldt:	Yes Jason. :)
02:06:05	Jana Peterson:	So much of this takes me to the importance of vulnerability.
02:06:33	Ellie and David:	Totally, Jana
02:06:34	Jason Hesiak:	Ben: We have to have confidence that God is at work in the work towards joining MORE than we have confidence that God is at work in the formation of the beautiful tradition that we come out of (which is not to say that the tradition isn't beautiful or that God wasn't / isn't present and/or at work in that tradition formation). *ok that was helpful*
02:07:08	Raquel Denis:	It’s transformative!
02:07:19	Ben Sternke:	Yes Raquel!
02:07:39	Jay Ganelin:	It’s also very white/western european “enlightenment” way of viewing orthodoxy as right thought rather than “right praise”. We’ve been obsessed with theology remaining an idea where we can control it. It’s why whenever we encounter the Spirit that “makes all things new” we run because we are no longer in the safe space of having God in our god-box
02:09:40	Isaiah Fasoldt:	Some of us have run from “Spirit” encounters, though, because people claiming spirit encounters told us that America was God’s chosen people and Trump was God’s chosen leader.
02:09:45	Isaiah Fasoldt:	Tradition provides safety from THAt.
02:10:14	Raquel Denis:	^indeed
02:10:17	Isaiah Fasoldt:	Emotionally for me at least.
02:10:48	Jason Hesiak:	*Tradition provides safety* OK that's simpler lol
02:11:02	Ellie and David:	mhmmm
02:11:11	Jana Peterson:	Yes, thank you so, so much, Michael!
02:11:12	Naomi Carr:	I have to go but THANK YOU. It gave me so much to think about.
02:11:39	Jay Ganelin:	Thank you so much, each of you, for allowing me in from Colorado. I have to run.  I wish each of you peace in the work ahead.
02:11:58	Isaiah Fasoldt:	Thank you Michael from Josie and Isaiah
02:12:29	Raquel Denis:	Thank you Michael!
02:12:33	Isaiah Fasoldt:	Are we allowed to share the recording with others?
02:12:43	Raquel Denis:	Took a lot away from this!
02:13:11	Jay Ganelin:	Thanks be to God
02:13:22	Jason Hesiak:	a natural Anglican lol
02:13:25	Becky Castle Miller:	Thank you for teaching us, Michael